What happens when 5 vets get matched together and decide to stay together?
When 5 vets dont farm kills, send positive msgs and tips in the end of the match, could u call it selfish?
Edit: happens a lot that vets get matched together just like new players, the peoblem is when they fight each other.
As someone who soloed a lot and still do, i rarely get paired with noobs.
Itâs better to end the game fast than to either kill them over and over or go easy on them. I do not like the fact that people go easy on others as itâs demeaning to the opposing team.
I wouldnât like it if I fought a good fight only to find out the other team were to go easy on me. I also wouldnât surrender to low level players as Iâd actually rather play the game and Iâm sure they would like too also.
People need to learn how to play this game and if getting stomped doesnât teach them something then perhaps they need to look at losing in a different way.
There will always be better players, itâs a pvp game you are bound to get stomped and youâre bound to stomp others.
You canât stop it, it will always happen.
I surrender when we have more than 30 kills. If theatch lasted 15 min or less guess how many times they died per minute.
Is not fun for us like is probably not fun for them.
Food for thought Dante
Iâm not calling you wrong or right. But if you hear the message of my posts in this thread, you will know i am not blaming you (at all), but rather the state of the game. People should NOT be blamed for trying to win (unless theyre cheating or glitching). This is a competitive team-based moba/fps for chrisakes not Rugrats Adventures
Yes, I do know the state of the game. No, Iâm not ignoring it. If anything, I donât PvP that much anymore for that reason (the other being certain elements within PvP itself as a whole, but thatâs another subject).
As I said, I will not hold back under any circumstance, but Iâm not looking to âpwn all the noobs lolâ either. I donât trash talk, I only taunt if the situation calls for it, but I also donât ultra-metagame because, ultimately, I just want to have fun like everyone else, and me playing to win is how I obtain said fun (as obtuse as that sounds now that I said it).
Like someone above just said, me holding back could imply that Iâm not taking the other person seriously, that I need to go easy on them in a vain attempt to balance out both the different playstyles and even the game itself. Am I really a bad person because I refuse to limit myself for the sake of someone else? Iâm sorry, but that is not fun for me in even a sarcastic sense. Iâll give help if someone asks as Iâm abhorrent to the whole âgit gud scrub lol â â â â offâ culture of competitive games these days, but otherwise, the only restraint youâll get from me is if the timer ran out and I get stuck with a character Iâm unfamiliar with.
So, I say again⌠may the Force be with you, and may the better player win.
Extrapolation: I have a feeling that this is going to devolve into thinly-veiled personal attacks if this keep going the way it is, so letâs agree to disagree and move on, shall we?
Pft that depends on the vets, im not an â â â â â â â , i can show you my chat in the psn and show you what i do when i find a new player or someone who is not performing that good.
First i would like anyone whats the meaning of hold back?
For me, is let them escape when they try to, Punish if they do stupid things. Let them know they should run by almost kill them and stop, letting them know it shouod be time to run. Allow them to play, let them kill minions and build turrets.
Kill them means they spend less time playing, so letting them know âhey you should be dead, you lost the fightâ without a kill teaches more than kill them to have an easyer time killing their sentry.
Retreat if you are backdooring and someone comes and try to stop u. Let them know, they are doing the right things.
My mentality is: a sensei will never attack you with all, he will allow you to have small wins, to learn when and what to do.
So yeah u must hold on, atleast with new players.
I never called or inferred you were an â â â â â â â and I donât need proof of your PSN chats 
Iâm pretty sure the vast majority of your post was directed at the other fellow yet I see I was the one you replied to so thatâs the bit of confusion.
Still stand by my comment below :
To a new player - 5 vets pre-forming or 5 vets forming after-the-fact by chance turns the new player off of the game just as much
It might be different to you, but not to the new player
And therein lies the discrepancy.
What you described as âholding backâ I call âletting you winâ. In my book at least, that is not the same thing. In fact, the latter can potentially do more harm as it can lead to inflated egos and misguided judgement of difficulty. At the risk of sounding political, just look at the news as to how that usually goes.
Letâs use your escape as an example. If weâre fighting against each other and I engage, Iâm going to use every resource I have to try and kill you, because that gives the other team one less person to defend their objectives with. If for some reason I canât do that and you get away, that tells me that a) my damage/techniques were sub-optimal, b) your damage/techniques were more optimal, c) you had teammates to back you up and let you get away, d) thereâs an item on you that added to your survivability, and so on, and so on, and so on. The variables as to why I didnât get the kill are numerous.
Whereas youâre saying that - if I was a new player at least - if you had every chance to kill me but did not (not could not, but did not), it was because you were âallowing me to playâ. But now here I am questioning why you let me go (assuming my teammates didnât intervene). I canât speak for everyone, but I know Iâd be driven mad by my own confusion simply because you decided to be nice. So who really benefits in that case?
I shouldâve said earlier that while I wonât give mercy to my opponents, Iâm going to assume the exact same about my opponents. Why would I think different? I certainly donât play games for people to go easy on me. I find that hugely insulting. In fact, thereâs a lot of merit in a difficult match: I can use that knowledge in a later match should I come across a similar strategy.
And if Iâm on the receiving end of a roflstomp and there are some beginners on my team? Let them know that we tried, but we got outplayed. Maybe give them some pointers. Ask them to try this instead of that, run some more matches, maybe some story and Ops, ease them into the game some more if they need it. Because as Tekhartha Zenyatta sometimes says âPain is an excellent teacherâ.
That ended up way longer than intended, but hopefully that finally clears some things up. Like I said before, if nothing else, letâs agree to disagree before this turns into a colossal argument about the ethics of and behind competitive gaming (even though thatâs kinda what this topic is. hmmâŚ) and pros v. newbs and whatnot.
If I was a new player and a vet didnât straight up stomp me, and just sat there and watched as I ran away, I wouldnât be confused at all. Iâd be, âoh, thank god he let me run. He gets that weâre on two completely diffferent levels of knowledge. Maybe I should do that in the future.â In fact, that was exactly how I saw it when the game began.
Itâs not that simple. Technically, yes, the newbs get outplayed, but thereâs so much more. They donât know as much about the game. They donât have as much map awareness, gear, or helix mutations even. And they are trying to learn. You canât learn if each match is a five-minute stomping ground where people who just bought the game yesterday are pit against launch players. Itâs just two different worlds. Two completely different worlds.
And Windu, you are extremely competitive from the looks of it. Getting insulted when someone who knows three times as much about the game goes easy on you? But why? You have no chance to win unless they give you one.
Then I donât understand how you canât win the game in that amount of time? But if you physically canât win in that amount of time then yeah I see why you would surrender.
If someone is interested in a casualâs opinion on that topic:
I expect from my enemy to treat me with respect and I also will treat them with respect. This means both sides should play a good game and the better team should win. I donât even mind admitting to be defeated and might send a gg afterwards (even if it sometimes is in a weird way, people donât quite understand).
I also will have no mercy with, e.g., a Galilea that constantly overextends, because I donât think Iâll do her any favor in not showing her that this just doesnât work, but I also expect that others show me when I do silly stuff. Thatâs my definition of fair play, that both teams try to play their best game, but every game with two teams fighting each other has one winner and one loser. The loser has to learn from that match (you have no idea how much Iâd wish to have replays in this game, i.e., the possibility to analyze a match in spectator mode after it was played âŚ) and the winner also canât be lazy, because sometimes it just might have been luck.
What I personally donât like are the games where new players are just humiliated and degraded to farm animals. That means, I donât like those games where one team doesnât play the objective and only tries to prolong the game as much as they can to polish their stats. These games are no fun, they feel like torture and they are a reason for me to lose the motivation to queue up for PvP again.
I would actually take it the opposite way. I would find it incredibly patronizing and taunting.
I donât fault you for having your take on the action but you canât fault me for having my own take on it.
This is if I knew in his mind he was intentionally non-playing
Because i play solo or duo, recently i have been playing with a full team, that doesnt happen with them as all agree to surrender.
You know makes me get rly pissed off? Get an ahole who enjoy kill new players to increase his k/d ratio, how they get mad at me for surrendering, like i was crazy or garbage for not getting kills.
What i hate more is meltdown bug vs noobs who dont know how to surrender and we are stuck in a tdm and i cant spam fat bots to finish it off, farm masks or cheese the sentry, i hate it because im powerless to end it soon!
I find that amazing, since we are ordinarily playing around the same time, and I am almost always paired with 2-3 new players. And then I am matched against five players all 130 level and over. There is something really screwed with the matchmaking.
Incursion or quickmatch?
Incidentally, this is why I like Bot Battles so much. While the AI certainly gives no quarter in difficulty (mileage may vary on this one), itâs a much more casual environment of learning the ropes of the character, enemy characters, map layout, minion timings, positioning, loadout experimentation, so on, and so on, and so on.
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And Windu, you are extremely competitive from the looks of it. Getting insulted when someone who knows three times as much about the game goes easy on you? But why?[/quote]
Because you going easy on me implies that Iâm not worth neither your time nor effort. Iâm trying to win and have fun like you are and youâre going to sandbag in order to âgive me a chance?â Iâm not 8 years old; if I wanted an easy win, I have scores of other ways - I have scores of other games - to do that.
Again, I canât speak for everyone, but that is profoundly demeaning in my eyes. And Iâm going to use every resource I have to make you realize how much of a bad idea âgiving me a chanceâ was.
OR I can find my chance on my own terms and merits, exploit it to my advantage, potentially emerge victorious, and be better for it.
I already know which option Iâm taking.
Both, actually. I understand that it is the deliberate functioning of the matchmaking in incursion, but it happens just as often in quick match, which is supposed to be a fifo, basically. In those cases, I suspect it is because the other team is a 4 or 5 man pre-made.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Yesterday i had an alani lvl 56 who didnt understand when i told him/her to retreat, to dont chase, to heal. Healed done by alani? 30k, self heal 17k.
Well i noticed she/he didnt speak english, so used his lenguage, spanish! Nothing! Nada! It was grrrrâŚ
But w.e you win some, you lose some. But is hard to help anyone who refuse to listen!!!
No argument with any of that.
Really, what this seems to boil down to is the infamous fun factor involved with competitive games (you really wanna see salt fly? look up any piece of Overwatch media involving Widowmaker or overall character picks). I thought this didnât need to be said, but people enjoy games in different ways (hell, there are people on both sides who despise anything involving the other side). Me going easy on you is not fun for me. You going easy on me is not fun for me.
To wit, I remember playing Soul Calibur V a long time ago. I like playing Siegfried, right? Far and away favorite character in the entire series, first pick every time. Heâs also one of the worst characters in the game, but I keep going because I like playing him that much. I was in a player match and came across a Cervantes player. Not only is Cervantes a better character on a basic level, but the person behind him knew his â â â â . We mustâve played 7 or so matches, and I lost every time. But I was having fun, because I was learning, and I was getting better, and fighting his Cervantes was legitimately enjoyable.
That was until the Cervantes decided to type âyawn but okayâ into the lobby chat. Then I told him to go â â â â himself and left. That was just rude.
