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Battleborn Battleborn Competitive Multiplayer Discussion
#30

[quote=“AthenaTina, post:29, topic:1539294, full:true”]Matchmaking will improve given some time to establish correct skill levels. And yes, I do believe premades should generally go against other premades only
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Until they do that, they can not claim to have an ELO match making system. That only works when like groups fight like groups. And while you say it will improve, they seem to be using the same matching system they had before, which got worse over time. For now, I tried 4 competitive matches. Queue times were long, all three were “pubstomps”, two of them were against full premades and all were on the same map. I have zero interest in the game as is now. Yesterday was far better, if still massively flawed.

I’ve also tried the casual queue, and while faster, the results are even worse with more or less every match having people drop due to not getting the mode/map they wanted.

#31

I have never ever posted on a forum of any sort and I created an account on here just for this. You can tell by the fact I don’t even know how to quote anyone.
Many before me has done a great job of expressing it better than I have: If the new matching making does not change back/to something smart - I AM DONE WITH PVP. Which is very sad because I just grew out of my shell of vs private and story mode and have enjoyed winning and losing in public.
The matchmaking was slow but that is because other games are kicking this games butt AND the instant rematch thing actually ended up hurting b/c you’d think you’d have a team and they’d drop. The new change discourages me to play. I’ve been playing since beta and am verklempt.

1.) I do not want to be put in a game mode I do not want to be in. I really enjoy all 3 and want to play each when I want to play them.
2.) All the people saying ‘play casual’. The casual thing is a joke, highly skilled jerks want to get games faster and slaughter casuals. Yeah there are those that want to be the best and they might play competitive, but good to great players are ok with winning. Anderson Silva and Fedor fought cans for years. I am an average player and enjoy having to choose characters and strategies that work together, sometimes I seem awful sometimes I am the top player but (having played after the changes) the stompage is way worse in casual now than it ever has been when it was all together. And the drops due to un-prefered game type are huge. Just do these tournaments they were posting about in the same news bulletin a leave the rest of us alone.
3. Cant even fathom competitive taking away a map option on top of all of this.

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#32

“This was undeniably the right move”

Absolutely not. What sense does it make to throw a mid/high ELO player in a game mode they have no interest in playing? Am I just supposed to suck it up and waste 30 mins of my time in a mode I really dislike because “well the matchmaking que is quicker”? And if I quit I’m the bad guy right? I mean now the people that actually want to play that particular mode are down a person because I left to go back into que. Hell they might even report me! Rock solid design there!

I’d rather wait 3-5 mins on a team for a mode I chose then be FORCED to play for 30 mins in a mode I did not. I doubt I am alone in this. PS4 Incursion ques were fine before all of this nonsense. The skill level ELO matching is the only silver lining to come out of this.

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#33

Sorry, I had meant to talk about how they’re experimenting with new matchmaking and made a typo and deleted the entire sentence. PVP is new for Gearbox. They said that they were only doing this for a week. This is new ground. This game is very much a work in progress. It looks loke this is a late bloomer like Borderlands instead of other games with more repetitive play (cough cough).

#34

People keep saying this is a terrible decision, but cant come up with anything better.

Dont just bitch about how the new system sucks. Give better options.

It might not be perfect. But its the best we have

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#35

It’s not my job to come up with better decisions as I’m not a Gearbox developer. What are you even talking about? It’s the communities responsibility all of a sudden?

If you don’t like my “bitching” then kindly avert your eyes but I’m going to express my emphatic dissatisfaction of such a huge sweeping change to how I can play the game. I mean we’re not talking about character balancing, drop rates, or microtransactions here. We’re talking a significant overhaul to the way I (and many others) can even play the game now.

“But it’s the best we have”

Bullcrap. The old system lobbies for Incursion on the PS4 were fine. If anything needed tweaked it was on the ELO logarithm. If this was a way to try and bolster Meltdown/Capture ques and cut down PC wait times then this is not the way to do it.

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#36

The old systems did not work. Thats why they got rid of it.

Before two weeks ago you had queue times of 20+ minutes. Broken

With the change two weeks ago they removed ELO based match making and you got grouped with people that didnt know how to hold a controller, much less kill minions/players. Broken

No, but this is a forum. Just posting ‘matchmaking sucks, kthxbye’ doesnt help. Give some options you would like to see instead. You know, try and have a discussion on how to make it better.

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#37

I see no problem at all with what has been implemented aside from the fact I can’t choose my game mode, so why not allow me to que for incursion, meltdown, or capture via ranked or casual…that would be a great fix. Leave the voting for what map you want to play on.

#38

I’ve never even remotely seen 20+ wait time ques for PS4. That sounds like a PC SPECIFIC ISSUE. So no, not “Broken”.

And I don’t know why you think I’m obligated to “offer options” beyond what a little common sense would inform. I’m not interested in a discussion. That’s YOUR expectation. Besides I’m not in a position privy to anything other than my anecdotal experience. Developers have metrics, data, engineering/programming backgrounds, etc. I’m voicing dissatisfaction as appropriate as I can as a customer and a part of the playerbase.

If I order a meal at a restaurant and it comes out tasting terrible, I don’t have a debate with the chef about possible cooking strategies or seasoning tips. I’m not asked to come back to the kitchen, handed an apron, and then throw down on the grill. I say my piece and the restaurant does what they do to make it right.

#39

The math doesn’t work.

Now instead of splitting the player base into 3 (Meltdown, Incursion, Capture).

You would be splitting them into at least four: Casual; 3 (Meltdown, Incursion, Capture)

And up to six: Casual: (Meltdown, Incursion, Capture) ; Competitive: (Meltdown, Incursion, Capture)

Queue times would, in some cases, increase indefinitely.

On the PC, chances are people would never find a game in some modes.

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#40

I see your point, I can only speak for ps4 and have never had bad wait times, it’s difficult to balance this out and impossible to please everyone. Would make things much simpler if you could play cross platforms.

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#41

Well, if things stay this way I’ll just be done playing the game. Capture is stupid and Incursion is ok on occasion, but Meltdown is what I played in the CTT, it’s what I played in the Beta, and it’s what I bought the game for. There’s no way I’m going to keep playing this game of the gametype I play is going to be decided by vote and not by what I actually want to play.

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#42

If they just allow for multi-queueing that would fix the problem.

Let people pick multiple modes or maps they would like to play.

#43

No, it’s not. Here’s a suggestion. Change the way matchmaking itself works and how the game searches for matches based off ELO NOT the modes you can choose. There’s multiple other options that they never tried that could still use an ELO matchmaking, such as matching a player against and to each other, or balancing after gathering 10 players.

#44

Word.

#45

This new matchmaking is STUPID. When you have challenges that require certain circumstances ( win x amount on Temples, etc) and those maps are frozen out plus people deciding to NOT play those mode - why the frak even have challenges. Really, Gearbox. Go back to Borderlands and just stop messing with this game. Every time a new change is done it is worse than the previous and ends up alienating even MORE PLAYERS. With this I will stop playing PvP and concentrate on getting the trophies for characters that I have luckily completed their PvP portions. I thought EA was bad but Gearbox, you really SUX!

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#46

The devs messed up and somehow made the game’s matchmaking system even worse. The game is almost unplayable for me at this point. The Casual playlist doesn’t go any faster but there is a lot more quitting than ever before. I am basically spending more time waiting than playing. I’m pretty close to just not playing anymore.

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#47

This is ridiculous, I dont want to play meltdown or capture at all, so why am I forced to play them now? Either this changes or I am going to quit playing I shouldnt be forced to play game modes I dont want to play for a game I payed for and if this was going to happen they should have made this known in the beta, I wouldnt have bought game if this was how it was in the beta. Fix your ■■■■ gearbox or I am walking…

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#48

They did that. It let to long queue times. [quote=“Saboteur-6, post:38, topic:1539294”]
I’ve never even remotely seen 20+ wait time ques for PS4. That sounds like a PC SPECIFIC ISSUE. So no, not “Broken”.
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Before they turned off ELO, queuing would take me 10-20 mins, with 15 being about average, for either incursion or metldown. This is on PS4 and 6pm-9pm. Search the forums, there are plenty of posts with people explaining the same. Broken

No one is asking you to program a new code for matchmaking. All im saying is offer up a solution instead of just saying matchmaking sucks.

Or in terms of your analogy. The steak is too salty, using less seasoning may help.

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#49

No they had ELO, and they removed it. That’s not what I’m saying. Never did they have a matchmaking system that would balance teams after finding players.

I’m on Xbox One, and I consider 5 minute wait times “long”. I also have a 70% W/L overall, so I’m assuming it doesn’t get all that much longer for others. That’s not broken at all. Broken on PC, yes.