What's better: ASE Anointment or "On throw" for grenade?

this must be a bug…

you know the kid’s voice at the start of the game when it’s loading, and it’s all like “GEARBOX!”

I imagine it’s like a 8 year old kid, and he’s shaking his fist at the gods, screaming it, because he knows he has to compulsively play the game and cant stop, but he will always be tortured by the endless barrage of small inconveniences.

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Only for the ase anointments on phasecast, phaseslam and rakk attack since they bleed extra damage to our action skills if my rakk hits 50k I only get 7k elemental damage per ase anointment. The ase will grant the bonus I the beginning for action skills I believe, unlike guns, so my rakks go from 50% to 75% before other damage multipliers.
This really needs testing but I run it with it’s piss and rakk Pak and it cranks out high rakk hits.

The anointments don’t apply to slam or cast unless it’s the second cast of an Avatar build, sadly. I wish it did. My cast build is fine, but slam could enjoy the boost

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The elements actually apply to your Rakks too if you are Fl4k. So you can use your Rakks to do 3 different types of elemental damage (fire/cryo, on ASE element from shield, on ASE element from grenade), in addition to the bonus buffs to your weapons. Yeah, on Rakk Fl4k the on ASE stuff is crazy and the clear best anointment choice for a Rakk build.

EDIT: Should have said “clear best choice” for shield and grenade anointment. I believe there is an ongoing debate about whether the “100% damage on ASE” or “100% damage after being hit by Rakks” is the better anointment for weapons. I think technically the “after being damaged by Rakks” can do more damage to one single target, but I believe the “100% more damage on ASE” is more useful in actual gameplay. Just my opinion though.

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I could have specified a little more about cast and slam, but it’s pretty dope either way.
You’re always bragging about your phasecast builds so maybe you’d know if the grenade throw anointment is worth it for her. I tried a it’s piss with the on thrown anointment with a golden rule build, really just stacking debuffs, but it did not feel nearly as effective as when I used it for the rakks.

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So, if you’re gonna go with an on Throw, you want something that’ll also be utility. It’s not as simple as whether anointment is better than the other one. If you can get a grenade that lines up your cast for more damage, then it’ll be beneficial. But for a Cast Build, since I use Avatar to double cast, the bonus elements are perfect.

My slam build is less about the slam doing damage and more about it getting laid bare, Samsara, and my three hundred radiation rowans call. I’m using an ASE currently because it’s my best Quasar, but if I had an on throw Quasar. I would pick that. Group the enemies up. This would get them in range and weaken shields for the fire of my augment. Slam with the nova anointment. Then pour radiation into them and punch them, everything blows up. I’d LOVE to have the On Throw on that.

But I’d suggest, in making PhaseCast single cast, you’d want a shock singularity on throw with no rain or bounce attachments. Blue ones come as Black Hole Contact grenades. They’ll bring enemies closer together for all the Cast to pass through, or tandava to have a radius on.

Speaking of, Tandava is better for Samsara, but Reverberation feels like it just does more work. Idk of that second cast acts as if the first one was part of it…oh, no, I gotta figure out how to test that. Lol.

Since golden rule came out I started using avatar for phasecast builds more because it gives good potential for a team build based on debuffing enemies. I noticed that I was still easily getting 40 stacks on the skills that build off of rush, so I started wondering about the on thrown anointments for those builds.

Even though I rock singularity grenades with fl4k it didn’t cross my mind to try singularity grenades to emphasize mass debuffing. I know I have a quasar with that anointment but it I may be better off looking for an epic grenade with a 4 second elemental cloud and singularity.

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I use Golden Rule on my slam build (I often use coms with skills I can’t get normally in a build, and getting free Laid Bare is amazing on my EleMelee setup).

Huh…I wonder how GR vs Phasezerker would do for how my PhaseCasts work. I enjoy the Phasezerker because I just ramp up the Do Harm through aggressive casting up to 80 stacks quite often. But bonus Laid Bare might be nice…but am I relying on that gun damage on my Masher…questions…questions…

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I feel like I don’t do nearly as much skill damage but mixing the double laid bare debuff and samsara with 250% on phasecast or even 100% on ase for certain guns made me feel like it was worth it.
I do feel constricted making this build because tankiness seems needed with golden rule’s perk but I haven’t played around with it enough yet.

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