#87

You took Triple Threat for a reason.

Iā€™m not even sure what you mean by this. If a character is giving themselves a speed up, then a knockback is even more useless - theyā€™ll be on top of you as soon as you turn to run. The slow will counteract it. Same thing with being slowed - you slow them back, and look at that youā€™re on even footing again. Quick melee them and run away.

Itā€™s not spammable by definition because itā€™s on a cooldown. Granted itā€™s not like you lose your quick melee when you take Flak Off, but if youā€™re relying on the scrap cannon knockback to keep melee characters off you, your skill at using the quick melee will suffer.

#88

One blast from scrap can knock back two+ peopleā€¦ you can wait for them to catch up and pop it again. Itā€™s not all at once like the nade.

A speed reduction + speed on themself, plus your slow is the same as them being normal and youā€™re slow. They never got out of range from you. Timed knock backā€™s can keep them off you until and even after the slow and speed up has passed. :slight_smile:

Another aspect of this is once you get the napalm mod and you start using nades for choke points and pushing. Wellā€¦ now your escape is on cooldown and your scrap cannon is mostly useless.

It comes down to play style quite a lotā€¦ I still think an ultimate which struggles to kill anythingā€¦ is effective at a range the character isnā€™t usually played atā€¦ and almost surely requires a 2nd skill to slow the enemy firstā€¦ is silly.

#89

ive been having a prob sometimes with scap and the quick melee knockback , sometimes it works an sends them back other time the guy just goes a foot back and is right on me again

#90

Hereā€™s my helix build:

  • Weighed Down - Slow down players trying to escape, no brainer on that.
  • Why not Flak Off? - After the lore challenge is done thereā€™s no need. While itā€™s great for pushing back melee players your quick melee does a great job of that anyway.
  • Swiss Cheese - Really helps you melt the players when you wanna get rid of them fast
  • Red Dot Sight - Allows you to maintain decent mobility while aiming and the increased RoF just adds to the DPS
  • Stick ā€˜Nā€™ Sap - Now not only are they slowed their having their shields drained too. Can really nail a player that is low health but full shield.
  • Killer Regen (rank 3 mutation) - Kill a minion, gain regen, kill a large shard cluster, gain regen, realllly helps remove the reliance on regen stations and support characters, allow you to stay alive much longer and let your supports work on someone big like Montana.
  • Napalm (rank 5 mutation) - Really synergizes with Stick ā€˜Nā€™ Sap, adds to the overall damage youā€™re putting out by adding little damage over time everywhere, and it can sometimes kill someone from the grave for you. Also really helps in getting rid of minions with a little AoE.
  • When Three Just Isnā€™t ENough - Sure I have to reload more often, but I do more damage per burst.
  • Spread Shot - Iā€™m not certain, but I think the higher density increases the damage and besides that the higher spread means a higher chance of landing ā€œSwiss Cheeseā€ when in a panic.
  • Swift Stickies - I wanna be at the ready to slow down a player thatā€™s running away, or slow down an aggressive player trying to get close. Also helps the anti-minion ā€œNapalmā€
  • What Shields? - I love this one, melts the hell out of people that donā€™t expect it. However, Overoverdrive is great in some PVE situations or for taking down a Sentry
#91

Are you looking for help or what?

Iā€™ll operate under the assumption you are and say Swiss Cheese is objectively worse than Scrap Bank, you can run the numbers and see for yourself. Scoped Up extends effective range and helps accuracy if youā€™re having troubles try it out instead. Triple Threat over Stick ā€˜nā€™ Sap, sure Stick ā€˜nā€™ Sap adds more damage than the other options, but you lose the 3 naplam pools.

#92

Nope, just what works for me :stuck_out_tongue:

Not a win, but I did contribute to the team a lot

#93

No need to die so often to get kills/assists.

#94

Well aware, Iā€™m reckless in my play style :stuck_out_tongue:

#95

I wish people would stop picking him, very annoying when itā€™s on my team and disappointing on the enemy team. Heā€™s just not useful, Melka completes his objectives and goals FAR more effectively while having a similar concept of being a ranged assassin if you want another choice. And if you want push there are far better choices, just stop with the Whisky Foxtrots because itā€™s not going to work out.

#96

I donā€™t agree with that at all. Once he gets his mid-game abilities he can clear waves well, he can jungle pretty well, he eats tanks like Montana or Kelvin for breakfast and with his AOE and ACOG he can easily chase off snipers from their perches. You just need to know his strengths and weaknesses to do well with him. He has some incredible burst damage if you use him right (ult, nade, flak, empty mag into face, taunt), but he suffers in short range fights against skinny characters.

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#97

As Montana the only character I regularly die to is Whiskey. That ult shreds me from about half or three-quarter health because he can hit me with every bullet due to my huge hitbox. I fear Whiskey far more than most characters. And his base rifle outdamages me at range.

Marquis canā€™t kill me outright (he does a boatload of damage and pushes me back, sure, but I donā€™t die). Same with Thorn.

I know this is just one matchup, but thought Iā€™d mention it.

#98

I view him as useless.

#99

Same

#100

I encourage all pro Whiskey players on PSN to try this. :slight_smile:

Iā€™m 5-0 so far for Whiskey players with my perspective characters. Until a majority can prove me wrong Iā€™ll always say as a character he sucks and you could just do better with someone else.

#101

Oh hey, we were supposed to play yesterday.

On topic though, heā€™s more than capable late game. I rather enjoy using him and although KD doesnā€™t really matter, I still tend to have a great spread on him. He shouldnā€™t be labeled as an easy character to pick up since to use him properly one needs to level him up to unlock his late game power.

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#102

Yea I didnā€™t get to play like I wanted to as I made an unexpected trip out of town, but I will be available tomorrow before 7 CST as I gotta make another trip out of town and then again around 10 CST possibly.

#103

I play him and have fun with him(on PS4 if you are wondering). I can do well in some matches. Do I think he is good? Not really, there are definitely way better choices. Itā€™s hard to hit and the damage you usually do isnā€™t great. Plus his reload is so slow. Although, I still do okay with him.

#104

Thereā€™s a few characters that are liabilities.

Whiskey is one of them. Anyone who can do good with Whiskey can do better with Oscar Mike or even Benedict.

I also think Toby, Caldarius, and Ambra fall into this category. (with Pendles inevitable future state as an honorable mention :smiling_imp: ) and I have seen some really great players with each of those - itā€™s just that Iā€™m sure if they where someone else they would be doing way better.

#105

Just played a match with him to see what was up and got murdered not only just for me but for my whole team. Played on ps4 and wow this is the worse battleborn I have ever played. Hard to hit with and does no damage. Just wow.

#106

He is definitely a mid-late game char. Early on you have to farm minion and get assists on player kills early on. But around lv 4-5 your wave clear gets better and you can put out more dmg easily. I think he great and you should take the time out to learn him