I am aware of how he refers to himself. However, he still appears to be a singular entity so I will continue to refer to him with the pronoun that does double duty for male and gender neutral cases in English. I may change my tune if he turns out to be a collective entity.
FL4K’s pronouns are ‘they/them’. You are not forced change your beliefs or viewpoint, but we’re clarifying and confirming that that is how the character is written, and as such should be referred to. Please remember that this forum’s rules include not attacking others for their beliefs.
That is Gearbox’s official stance on the matter. As such, it would be greatly appreciated if people respected that and obliged by using the correct pronouns. (the odd slip up may happen, that’s understandable, but it doesn’t take a great deal of effort to try)
why would I play as Fl4k, judging from votepool Fl4k is gonna be most played VH so I am bound to see them anyway.
besides I am already gonna play Moze, and judging from game´s size, I am gonna play her a long time
I will play all 4 of them anyway, so my “first” will be decided at random. Dice of destiny, I summon thee!
My gut instinct is that Fl4k would be perfect and that’s why I’m “undecided” as I fear that they are too much of a one-note-character. I love the cut and dry way their german voice is and how they are basically just mumbling for the sake of hunter’s narration, but I decided to let my first Vault Hunter be chosen at random.
8 posts were split to a new topic: Flak off-topic nonbinary anguish
Gearbox are serious. And as to why, deliberately misgendering people can, and may, cause offense to people using the forum.
From the forum rules.
no racist, sexist, homophobic, or transphobic slurs, and other such behavior detrimental to conversation.
For brevity they didn’t list every single thing that the rules covers, but it does extend to them all. I know in the UK at least there’s 9 “protected characteristics” that people can take action if they’re discriminated against for. They include Sexuality, Gender and Race.
Ultimately, referring to FL4K as a “he/him/his” knowingly is misgendering. As was said, the odd slip-up will happen, that is understandable.
A fictional character wrote (either in part or in whole) by someone who, unless I’m mistaken, is non-binary themselves and as such has the right, as their creator, to dictate.
Firstly, I think that’s the first time I’ve been called that. So congrats. Second, it’s not politics, it’s pointing out Gearbox’s stance on a matter, on their boards.
The topic still is, it was due to people purposefully misgendering one of said characters.
I’m sorry you viewed my mention of Gearbox’s entirely reasonable stance as" toxic fussing". As for if we were toxic mods, it wouldn’t be a discussion, it would have been warnings/bans with little to not explanation.
It doesn’t, in your daily life, you could think and refer to people as you wish. But here, there are forum rules for a reason, and to be abided by. Here, you do as Gearbox request. In your daily life you can do as you please.
I would imagine that those people you have offended probably felt similarly when you insulted their very existence, by insinuating that they are not valid. The proper pronouns of someone is important whether they are fictitious or not. You wouldn’t refer to Arnold’s T-800 Terminator by she/her pronouns, would you? You wouldn’t refer to Amara as “he”, would you? So what is so hard about acknowledging and properly gendering FL4K?
If being kind and considerate to your fellows is something that you can’t tolerate then the problem might not be with the forums. This stuff is important even if you don’t view it as such. All I saw was a moderator attempting to enforce the forum rules with patience and facts.
ON THE TOPIC OF CHARACTERS TO PLAY FIRST: I feel that Amara and FL4K are tied for first with me. I’ll wait to play Zane until I find a nice transfusion grenade to start with that I can transfer to him at varying levels since my planned build lacks much healing. I’m basically waiting to see the unique things Amara and FL4K get like their personality, reactions to things, and (COUGH possible spoilers) their personal room on the ship.
I would like to say however, I apologise for this minor disruption due to having to intervene.
Though, since that has been stated. This topic shall now loop back onto topic.
As always, FL4K was and is my first play. Pet Skag , Spiderant and Jabber made that a given. The only thing that would have changed it would have been an abhorrent skill tree.
Following that is Moze. And then Zane and Amara as the mood takes me on character select.
If I ever somehow get a copy, it’ll stil be FL4K. They interest me the most. Zane would be second.
FL4K first, Zane second, Amara 3rd and Moze last.
Moze, FL4K, then Zane or Amara… might just flip a coin with those two.
“Siren. Dibs. My Siren’s name is Brick, and she is the prettiest.”
I main Athena in TPS. Her Ceraunic Storm Tree is awesome with the Celestial Gladiator class mod.
I shall forever be a Zane main. But then our lovely and bodacious siren Amara. Then tank girl Moze with her mech. And then finally, the bot with the badass beasts, FL4K.
I’m a little torn between Zane and Fl4k, but right now Fl4k has me ecstatic! Nice combination of damage boosts, healing boosts, some damage mitigation, and the ■■■■■■■ permanent pet! That and the Hunter Skill builds have me super giddy. Granted, a bunch of kill skills aren’t the most efficient, but god dammit, I want to be an intergalactic hunter!
It will be Zane for me. Love that he can use two action skills and how his skills synergies! But he still feels a bit underpowered…
In the thick of it, he probably is, but he’s got tricks to get out of the way if you find yourself piled on.
That’s the beauty of Zane’s character, and why I think he’s awesome. Compared to the abilities of his companions, his own skills seem underwhelming. FL4K is robot that can summon mighty beasts for pets, Moze is a soldier that can digistruct a giant robot mech, and Amara is a superhero with super powers. Why I think Zane is awesome, he’s still just as dangerous as the rest, possibly even more so. The idea behind Zane, what one man can do with the right set of skills, tools, and motivations. His playstyle is meant to be multiple skills working in tandem, essentially multitasking your resources, and applying them where you think necessary. It’s on the fly strategy, something that makes him very powerful, and very dangerous if you underestimate him.
Well, the fact is, using “he” or “man” has long been used as a neutral in English; it IS inclusive, not exclusive (as defined by context).
What has basically happened is that (some parts of) society has invented another way of being gender-neutral by adopting “their” to refer to entities without referring the sexual status or orientation. For some of us this grates on our sense of proper usage as it’s a plural term being used for a singular entity.
Which isn’t to say it is fundamentally wrong; it isn’t. Word meaning is defined by usage, not rules, there is no “cast in stone” way of speaking any language.
My personal problem isn’t so much with changing my habits as it is with catering to a belief that we need to be ultra-scrupulous in how we speak. While I fully support accepting all humans in the condition they define themselves without bias, trying to please those that are simply looking to be offended at every turn isn’t healthy for our society, and ultimately leads to more of a sense of division amongst various groups. It fosters MORE of an “us vs. them” mentality than it promotes inclusivity.
I’ll refer to FL4K using “their” myself; I’m doing my best to accept the change in English despite having 60+ years of speaking in a way that has been correct for thousands of years. I just hope that anyone that might be offended by the use of “he” will try to understand that it isn’t an exclusive term, and work not to be offended unless obvious derogatory meaning is present in the language of the speaker. I’d also ask anyone resistant to using “their” instead of “he” to accept that our language can and will change and any rule we lived by isn’t immutable, and to make sure there is no personal bias actually present in their beliefs. Refusing to change the way you speak because you DON’T want to be inclusive isn’t going to help us all get along better in the long run.