For the 4th time I think all I did is correct a statement that mixed up data for what it meant.[quote=“stashudyakov, post:1, topic:1491593”]
120k copies sold (steam) , online per day is near 2k-4k , why?
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The 2-4K is really more like 20-40K players per day playing which is a big difference from 2-4K.
That is all I was saying. No more no less.
I support your viewpoint, but that’s not exactly true. It even runs on crap hardware if you know what you’re doing.
I have an Asus ROG G74sx from '11. S’a laptop. And hey, it runs Battleborn just fine. I had to tweak a couple of things for my old hardware, but that’s true whenever hardware passes a certain point of age.
As I recall, I just poked particle size and some physics stuff and now it’s running beautifully. This is something that’ll always happen with outdated hardware.
I’m planning on moving back to a desktop when I move house in a year or so, but for now I’m on a laptop and Battleborn runs beautifully on it. The only area I have a slight (and I do want to emphasise that) framerate drop to the point where it becomes a little uncomfortable to look at is in the prologue. Something weird is going on there. For the rest of the game, though? It runs beautifully.
I’m actually surprised by how well it runs, considering. And really, if you’re not willing to do a little tweaking on outdated hardware? Then really you shouldn’t be playing games on a PC at all, a console is better suited.
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You nailed it with your post, especially this point. Overwatch has no soul. Its generically “pretty”, but it just has absolutely no soul or character.[/quote]
Yeah, I didn’t want to be so on the nose, but that’s how I feel about it. The thing is is that I’m an introvert, so depth matters to me. I find I’m always at odds with Overwatch because no aspect of it has any depth whatsoever, and that is what I think of as ‘having no soul.’ When a project is so shallow that it just feels like all they’re doing is going through the motions. They’re doing what’s expected of them, but it doesn’t say ‘passion project’ or ‘labour of love’ to me in the way that Battleborn can.
And that’s why I’m always careful about what I say about Battleborn because it is a labour of love. And the only places they sometimes get a bit fubar is in the mechanics, the balancing. The aesthetics, the lore, the characters, the wit, the dialogue, and so many other aspects of this game are just sublime.
This is how you draw someone like me in, by caring so much about your own game. And every line of dialogue exudes that.
Every time they genuinely make me laugh with a ‘Bam! Cyber-headshot!’ or ‘It must really draw the eye!’ or a ‘Mom? Dad?! You’re home! You’re finally home!’ or a ‘Not the response I was expecting, but thanks Caldy, you’re a sweetheart!’ or a ‘Geoff gets to be a spider and I get to be kidnapped and unemployed!’ it shows that they were just having so much fun working on this.
And I, as an overly empathetic introvert, have more fun playing it because it just comes through so much. It’s fulfilling.
I don’t get that feeling from Overwatch.
Boobs and butts. It’s an unfortunate state of affairs but the vast majority of the world is extraverted and all you really need to get high scores is a whole lot of objectification along with the marketing power to back it up.
I actually think that the thing with Tracer was a false flag operation (a tactic used by companies since the dawn of time to shut people up). It was always so suspicious to me that they made that change based upon one post, and the pose was actually replaced by something even more questionable and objectified, by something that wouldn’t look out of place on a pin-up poster.
That’s where I think it all comes from. When I think of all the desperate young men out there… Enough to fuel Blizzard’s empire, even? I just want to go and have a little sit and cry in the corner. It’s really unfortunate.
Edit: This isn’t to imply that extraverts don’t have emotions, mind you. That’d be silly. I think what I’m always trying to get at explaining this is that extraverts are after the thrill, the rush, that happiness in their pants, and Overwatch gives them that.
However, I need reason for my jubilation. It’s something more deep-seated that grows over time. And watching creative things happen is one of my reasons for being happy. I don’t just get dopamine fuelled ‘happy rushes,’ which is especially true as an autistic introvert. No, it’s something that builds into a crescendo, it’s a different kind of processing of emotion.
It’s slower, and it has a basis to it. It begins with something and it carries on from there. Due to this I can suffer with depression really easily because it’s easier to find sad things than it is to come across happy things, and an excess of rationality and clear thinking can make you feel helpless and depressed quite often. Take that from me, I often fight melancholy over my own uselessness. I’m explaining this despite it being personal as I want people to understand where I’m coming from.
So actually having something that can actually light the fire of happiness and continue to fuel that over time is important to me.
Generic things can’t do that, no matter how much ‘thrill’ they happen to provide. I’ll instead feel completely nonplussed by the attempts to manipulate my emotions with all manner of frenetic nonsense. I’m sorry to say but I’m the kind of person who sighs and shakes their head at nature documentaries at their use of musical notes to evoke an immediate emotional response. In my opinion, they could let their viewers feel for themselves, but that’s not a commonly shared notion.
Most people seem to like that sort of thing.
What I’m after is something more genuine. It’s rare to find, these days. And I’ll actually become defensive of it if it feels especially genuine to me. I mean, back in the '80s, '90s, and even up until the early '00s you could find video games everywhere developed by small teams that really had that heart and soul to them, where you could see the creative flow and it was truly fulfilling.
With the rise of the mainstream, though, I do have difficulty finding that sometimes nowadays, which makes me feel old.
I love how unashamedly doofy, nerdy, and unafraid Battleborn is. That’s why it’s not scoring so well. It’s not appealing to the shallow whims of people who just want dopamine thrills. It’s actually something they made out of a desire to have fun. And it shows. I really want to congratulate their writers and artists for that. It feels like such a throwback to a bygone era.
It’s a thing out of time. It’s a rare thing. And I don’t get to actually appreciate something like this very often. In my opinion, it stands alongside Human Revolution and Portal 2, chancier games that took a risk by making a thing they wanted to make, rather than going with the usual focus-testing, marketing, and what have you.
And with how my emotions work? Like I said, it’s really fulfilling. People have different emotions and I feel the majority are just looking for that simple, dopamine-fuelled thrill. They just want that ‘hit,’ if you will. And a lot of games are about providing that, aren’t they?
I’m after something more.
Introverted. Extraverts have no qualms talking to real women instead of fake women.
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But I don’t really think that’s the point you were aiming for. What you were probably looking for is teenage testosterone fueled hormones.
Of course you have Derch, but still, retaining less than 10% of the players that bought the game is problematic - in reality it is closer to 6k players per day if you actually read my post.
And that number doesn’t even matter. What matters is the pool of concurrent players that make the matchmaking. What do I care if there was 2k concurrent players 3 hours ago if there are 900 or less when I am playing? What does it matter to me that there are 6k players over the day, if the number of concurrent players is 1200 when I am playing? Concurrent is what matters, that’s where the bread is for the player. All day number is good only for charts up there in the accounting room.
Where do you get less than 10% from?
That was my point the numbers are more like 20-40K which is more like around on average 25%
I’m not saying the numbers on steam are good or defending them, just again corrected a mis interpretation to what the numbers were.
I’m not arguing anything.
These…are…very deep and thoughtful posts 
I must say though, I can’t choose Overwatch or Battleborn only based on graphics, because both are in my view, beautiful games in their own respect. I very much like effects of Overwatch. What I am after is fluidity, responsiveness, logical mechanics and logical input-output which I pointed out here on forums and will point them out until they fix it because overall, Battleborn has more appeal to me than Overwatch. Overwatch has because of previously mention preferences, a large advantage for competitive playing, because their controls are precise and follow logical steps and follow normal procedures for a player to predict bullet flight time and launch to successfully hit a player with rockets and bullets on PC. Battleborn is missing this part and I am VERY sensitive to these kinds of details.
I’m sorry to say this, because there’s no polite way to say this, but they’re aimed at a less clever, straight male demographic. The men are dumb faux masculine power fantasies, the women are so objectified and meant for men to drool over that it’s nauseating. You don’t have even just one body positive woman in Overwatch.
Amen.
Less than 10% based on sold PC copies (roughly 130k by Steam data) and actual daily players which is roughly 6k based on projections from Steam charts.
Can you show me the 6k math?
I took 3 hours per player (should be even more from my experience), divided the total count number by 24 to get per hour and multiplied that by 3 to obtain that number and took some positive margin to get 6k. It might just be a coincidence, but upon checking data on steam charts which says 82000 players in the last 14 days. If you divide that by 14 you get the same result as I said - roughly 6k players per day. There is a discrepancy between results because there were more players a week before.
if bb has not enough players they should just put console and pc players together there is not 1 reason not to do so…they wait the patch week on pc as on console altough they didnt need it…aiming isnt that important with many chars…and even if…u can aim good with controller aswell as u have mouses for ps4…so why not throw it together
I’m not sure if there exists a cross-platform FPS game at the moment. And if I remember correctly, Microsoft had an experiment with that some years ago and they stopped the project, because PC players had enormous advantage over console players and simply weren’t able to play against them normally. This is also probably the reason why PC player base is dying. The controler system has some sort of a bug that has a delay inside. Maybe it was written first for gamepads and consoles and then ported to PC…don’t know, dev’s can tell more about that. If I turn and move discreetly like flicking a gamepad thumb-stick, it almost feels as everything is working properly. As soon as I engage years of experience on mouse and keyboard and become more fluid, the control system just breaks down.
I believe this is not Gearbox’s decision, but Microsoft’s. You would think they would at least be willing to combine PC (ie Windows 10) players with Xbox players. The PS4 angle I can see being harder to work a deal on, but PC vs Xbox should be very doable.
Although, to be honest, as an Xbox player I don’t want the PC community in our game. I left PC gaming mainly to get away from the bad community (some might dispute this but I’ve found PC players to be THE worst when it comes to trolling, bad manners, etc) and rampant cheating, so bringing them back would defeat the whole reason I moved to Xbox.