WTF with that marquis cheating

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#25

Well… my arguments are pretty strong:

1.- The game is for fun, this ruins fun.
2.- When DEVS says that this gonna be fixed: its because is not intended. So its a bug, and the fact you abuse of it, its bug exploiting.
3.- No need to use “hack software” to be a cheater: bug exploiters (look above) are the same as modders. (breaking the game rules to their advantadge, no matter how)

Yours seems even weaker than before.
1.- No matter the type of game you play, it got rules, and if you break to win, you are cheater. No matter if the game is attack defense, or defense defense, or flying across the rainbow to win, rules are not done by you, but, the devs. And thats a fact.
2.- your comparision with a “war” is now even weaker than before:

  • Do you really think war is funny?
  • Do you think people is paying to be in a war?

Mobas and other games may emulate a PART of a war… this is a GAME and games got RULES because they are for FUN. (rule breakers, no matter how, are cheaters.)

Im just getting the impresion that you are trying to justify yourself cause you did/do that, but i think you really know that destroys other peoples fun, and removes the “skill” component of the confrontation.

Did i say that this is not intended by devs and breaking rules of the game, no matter how, is cheating? :wink:
Btw: That guy above did an explanation may be more understandable than mine.

#26

It’s one thing to backdoor when nobody notices, but it’s another when Marquis can headglitch the middle ledge and be practically invulnerable. You can’t counter Marquis with Marquis in that situation, the hitbox is covered by the map. You can’t defend against one guy in the back while you’re getting pushed by 4 other people.

#27

I’m referring to the back door only the marqui thing is a glitch. Not to mention the bug that his his only needs to be visible to snipe. It’s a major flaw of many if not all FP shooters

#28

But any ranged person can do that, I saw an Orendi and Thorn doing it once, and the Thorn was trying to snipe our sentry when we weren’t pushing mid and was hitting it. So any ranged character should be able to do it, it’s just that Marquis is the only one with a scoped gun, so it’s easier to take advantage of.

#29

No devs are saying they’re fixing the marquis glitch not the back door attacking. The other map has back dooring and every character can do it since it requires no leap.

You’re arguments aren’t sound.
Game is for fun. Yah of course it is did you also know blue looks blue? You know what’s no fun killing the entire enemy team but one enemy and all they have to do to not lose is have ONE teammate kill minions and completely make all the work you did killing the enemy worthless. That’s not fair. The killing team clearly deserves to damage the sentry but can’t bc minions die in two shots. That’s why the devs and other MOBAs made it so you can attack the sentry without them. Would the opposite be unfair. Minions are attacking the sentry and no one wants yu lol the minions. Is that unfair. Is that cheating. No because you didn’t DEFEND.

I compare it to war again bc YOU NEED TO DEFEND TO WIN. That’s the only comparison that necessary I need to have a valid argument but you have nothing but complaints as yours You’re not defending that’s your fault. And war has ruled too to an extent. You ever hear of the Geneva Convetion? Yes oeople pay to go to war(never said people did until now.) No war isn’t funny (again never said it was. Don’t put words in my mouth). But games like these EVOLVED from war. It’s a war simulation but you can deny it all you want. You could say the earth is made of jello but that doesn’t mean it it.

I never said that hacks are the only way to cheat. Putting words in my mouth again. But FLANKING and GANKING are REAL tactics. That’s why there’s a cliche battle phrase “WATCH YOUR FLANK!” Or “Watch your six!”

Yes rules are rules but in MOBAs attack a tower/sentry /etc is allowed but it’ll attack you. As I’ve said many times I try it the sentry does HEAVY amounts of damage. One shot did 1200 damage to me the other day. ONE shot from it. I died right after bc someone who DEFENDED their sentry got the final shot. That’s how you play.

I don’t always do it because others know to defend and that’s what they’re supposed to do.

So ignore me all you want and pretend it’s “unfair” to flank an Undefended base or objective it won’t stop you from losing. Your arguments are only it’s unfair bc it’s unfair. That’s not strong at all. You haven’t showed a shred of proof that this is cheating. The marquis thing is bc he’s at his base killing it and he’s just too OP bc of the passive but back door and flanking are 100% are valid tactics.

You’re the exact type of person I hate playing objective games with bc they refuse to defend or complete the objective and then complain.

#30

Hot fix is limited in what it can do. Mostly just stat changes can be done. As the other battle plans stated a full patch is required to patch maps and other large content but they require verification and time so hot fixes are used as in between a to try to help the flow. Hope this helps.

#31

You can you the exact same thing in that map too. There are side corridors that people can back door and flank with. Just learn those spots and defend them by checking often. It eliminates it entirely.

#32

Thorn has zoom too but at least her passive needs to be charged while marquis hits every 3rd or 2nd shot with helix. He’s just op in general. Like. Miko healer the tank constantly.

#33

But her zoom is not as good as Marquis scoped rifle. And if Marquis didn’t have his passive the way it is, everyone would be complaining about Thorn’s charge passive as being op.

But Miko healing the tank isn’t op… that’s just what he’s there to do. Hence why you concentrate on the healer first, than the tank. Yet for some reason, my team doesn’t go for the healer first, but when I’m playing the healer, the opposing team does>.<

#34

I know. I’m just saying its op bc of the body block and cc tanks have but in general I can take out the milo it’s just really hard with the stun and slow combo. It is a valid tactic though. Just a real pain.

As for thorn her passive at least takes time where marquis is just done through normal fighting. She also slows down charging it. Hers are higher risk but not higher reward. She also has arc to deal with so everyone would be wrong with saying its op

#35

Her arc only affects her for long range, most Thorn players I’ve fought against, play close range. So yeah, a good Thorn, with movement increase items and damage items, makes Thorn’s charge really OP, along with her slow (which unlike Marquis takes effect immediately after casting) makes a good Thorn player really op at close range, though again, it’s a valid tactic.

And while it’s true Marquis’s passive is done through fighting, you actually have to hit the person, and you have to hit them within a certain amount of time or the passive expires. Where as Thorn’s, you might have to wait an extra couple of seconds, but you can do more damage in 3 shots with Thorn’s charge, than most Marquis players will do in 3 shots and their passive included.

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#36

Her jump is great fir escape too. AR least her passive requires Constantine charging to continues to it expires like his. Only charged arrow do more damage not normal ones. Unfortunately.

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#37

Dear Marquis,

Keep wasting your time shooting the sentry.

Yours truly,

Kleese

#38

Orendi can’t snipe like this, she don’t got enough range.

#39

I said anyone can use the head glitch. The Orendi I saw was sniping people in the middle, not the Sentry.

Any ranged unit can use the head glitch, it’s just Marquis has the most range.

#40

Yep i just had a marquise do exactly that. Played normally at first and it was a really close and fun game. They then lost their first sentry so he decided to cheese ours.

Why they havnt blocked marquise from being used on this map until its fixed (considering how many people are abusing it) is beyond me.

And considering its an exploit something should be done to the players that abuse it.

#41

I didn’t know, but the main problem still being the lost of a sentry after 2 mins with an oponent that was unable to leave their base… is ridiculous.

#42

Noone is talking about flanking/Ganking, we are talking about sniping and using a glitch, something you can’t counter or is too hard to defend. Cheats are not always “god-mode”, they may be just something, not legit, that give you a big advantage over your opponent.

IMO thats still cheating (and pretty low ) and also is ruinning the fun. May sound strange but some of my lost games were also the funniest I’ve played: for me there are other things in life to compete and stress, im here for the fun, not the win, but I understand the “easy-win” is a big tempation for other kind of people. Anyway, you can keep justifying it, but I think it will hardly convince anyone other than cheaters.

Sadly, seems we will never agree on that, lets wait for devs fix, and see what they expect from the game.

#43

Someone brought up backdooring (which I think was you as well) so I asked you about that too which you called cheating as well but that isn’t cheating. There’s multiple ways to get to the sentry that the other base to attack. Every MOBA or esque game allows this but as I said the sentry or Titan will mess you up if it sees you. That’s not cheating. That was what the conversation veered to.

But yes I already agreed that Marquis can snipe from his base to attack yours that IS a glitch. Same with head only poking out on the stair and sniping you while you cant attack him.

Also I said it once and I’ll say it again I NEVER SAID ONLY GOD MODE IS CHEATING. I NEVER SAID CHEATING IS OK EITHER. STOP SAYING I DID

#44

Well, backdooring is busted as well. There’s a whole discussion about it. If you can focus on the sentry and not be at risk of return fire from it or fully built turrets around it, yeah, that’s an exploit.

Youre right, backdoors do exist in other MOBAs, but something tells me that you can’t just stand around a corner and snipe away at defense point, completely safe from any harm that isn’t another player, in a game like LoL or Smite. If you can do that right off the rip, from the beginning of the game in these other huge MOBAs, then fair enough, I concede to your argument, but even then, that’s still horrible balance.