I’m typically not the spray and pray guy thats why I would do Jakobs grip on pimps, go for that one shot that matters, also why I love thorn.
But Alani just clicks with me, I’m also not great with Orendi. Alani to me is just a better version of her, note I said “to me everyone”.
Even post nerf Alani can put out a lot of damage, stay in the fight, you can have slow, stun with the bubble, DOT on AOE, heal your teammates, movement buffs, just a ton of tools for her and your team.
I am not too sure what you talking about, I just used Alani and shes great, I had 5 wins in a row, decent damage, almost no deaths, easy to play as. She is still better support than Reyna (i mastered her) and Ambra. I cant count how many lives I saved with the heals, how many times I assited thanks to the geyser, her over time wave heal along with dot and slow is amazing, and a aoe ult. I still think she is top 10 characters.
Chill, Alani is still really good.
Once people get a taste of easy mode, anything else tastes like dirt. Thats why they call it nerfed into the ‘ground’
Wow the new upcoming nerfs are disheartening 
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Alani’s level 7 Left Helix Augment, [color=FF0000]Pressure Wash no longer increases Osmosis stack generation[/color]
Swapped the Helix locations of Alani’s level 3 Left Helix Augment, Whitewater and level 3 Right Helix Augment, Go With the Flow with her level 7 Left Helix Augment, Pressure Wash and level 7 Right Helix Augment, Overflow
And no, the +10% move speed and +20% base dmg don’t make up for it.
Her healing which was technical yet very fun got stomped hard 
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So pressure wash is now useless and moved lower :
Pffffff…
<=== Sad Panda, very sad…
I stopped using Alani well over a month ago and I’m so glad I did. At this point I just find it amusing that they’re still screwing with her. Out of all the issues people are talking about they’re still focused on screwing with Alani. LMAO whatever
Well I don’t mind they adjust her numbers so as to balance her.
You’ve not seen me complain on her previous nerfs.
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I don’t mind they lower her healing output or her damage output.
I don’t mind they balance her : it’s needed.
But removing the FUN of the Osmosis stack “overdrive” is a big NO NO !
It was a gearshift change, it was a nice feeling, now all we get is a streamlining : BOOOOOOOORIIIIIING 
No dev should be allowed to remove FUN.
FUN can be added, NEVER removed : gaming 101…
But hey look at her dmg output, it’s been lowered and now it’s getting back up :
do they know what they want ???
So what’s going to happen now Pressure Wash is turned into a pure vegetative state : they’ll have to adjust (in how many weeks ?) the Osmosis generation to average of before/after pressure wash because Alani’s healing overall will prove to be under-performing ?
Well, the only real nerf you mentioned is the removal of Osmosis stack generation from Pressure Wash. Still, Pressure Wash is valuable because it increases her admittedly limited range (I would like it if it also increased the range on Geyser and Emergence to compensate for the loss of Osmosis stack generation, but I can understand why not); it also balances out against Wellspring much better: longer range or stronger heal. Before, Pressure Wash was the obvious (non-lore farming) option because it gave you better range and more healing (which is better than bigger heals because of Full Saturation).
Something to keep in mind, though, and probably the reason why they’re getting rid of the faster stacking in the first place, is that Alani can already increase the speed in which she stacks up Osmosis stacks by increasing her attack speed; unlike Ambra, Reyna, or Miko, Alani gets better at healing and damage by improving a single stat.
Of greater import, as I see it, are the reduction in Geyser’s size and duration, which I can also understand.
Personally, I’m truly happy they’re bringing Alani’s base damage back to roughly what it was before the big nerfs and increasing her sprint speed (and making the 30% move speed helix a viable option by putting it with nerfed Pressure Wash and Overflow) so that I’m actually happy, happy enough to not mind the understandable nerfs otherwise.
I’m a little upset that they’re getting rid of Alani’s early game performance (both of the current level 3 helices are a massive portion of Alani’s total performance), but, once again, understandable: Alani was an early game dynamo.
I would hold off on judgment. Osmosis stacks are pretty easy to get and you’ll just get them a little slower now (9 attacks instead of 6) but I doubt you were healing after every 6 attacks anyways, considering how great her attack speed is.
The coming changes reflect that the choice between Whitewater and Go With The Flow is actually a choice between healer and controller focus.
Without the additional stack generation from Pressure Wash, the additional +20% Attack Speed seems like a prerequisite for efficient (meaning max Stacks) healing.
Also, like @Kitru said, Attack Speed is already very powerful on her, so I guess I’m ok with the Helix Swap.
Overall, the most affected part of her kit is the use of her controller abilities early to mid game (due to not having Go With The Flow before Level 7).
To be honest I’ve come to accept all the changes they have made to Alani.
Osmosis stack generation is easy at level 6/8 when you can generate stacks in your riptide which also has a longer duration. Pressure wash was used primarily for the increased range anyway and the increased generation was a bonus. Plus everyone takes the attack speed buff I’m sure haha I never could understand why you would take the reduced cooldowns since the attack speed aids your team healing much more.
Well a 20% damage buff outweighs the 15% damage reduction on the surface tension so that shouldn’t change too much if you trap someone with the support of your team.
The 15% radius reduction on geyser again gets compensated for with a helix choice and gives the larger frame characters some reprieve from the constant bubble knock ups too.
Sad to see the self heal not get looked into I’m really getting tired of selfish Alanis healing themselves for more than 60% of their total healing whilst team mates die. Haha my hidden lore challenge is to take down any self healing Alani and then taunt at all possible times haha.
All in all the Alani changes hardly affect her play style and she will still be top tier.Played 120 matches and mastered completing her lore challenges along the way and still don’t mind the changes 
Wrong, most people I know who use Alani used it for the quick stacking. Wont be going with that mutation anymore but rather the 30% increase of movement speed now. [quote=“palmedic89, post:221, topic:1516469”]
Plus everyone takes the attack speed buff I’m sure haha
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No where near as good as the 0.5 cool down reduction per hit. Especially if you are running attack speed gear on her.
I agree with you Xelaris
And the increased distance mutation wasn’t even a thought before the LAST round of nerf alani got that reduced her distance by 20%.
What really bugs me not just about Alani but about many of the character changes is that you’re being forced to carry certain gear or choose certain mutations not because that’s how you want to play the character but because you need to fight against yet another nerf.
Interesting I could gain full stacks with a single riptide late game. Attack speed buff more than made up for the lack of skills. The added benefit of faster stacks was a bonus since I could stay further away being the squishy healer and all.
I suppose a focus on healing is what drove me to the attack speed for quick early game stacks since skills heal nowhere near as much. Skills seem to be secondary to keeping the team alive but that is only an opinion and with the nerf to the damage amplification healing will become more of a focus.
And there is no wrong way of playing a character only a difference of opinion since we all play in different circles and have different builds hence why I said most people since that is my personal experience. And sorry I thought the laughter at the end of the attack speed comment implied sarcasm.
Which should have been reverted since they are taking away a key component to her healing.
The thing is they nerf her ability to gain stacks easier early game by getting rid of her attack speed then remove the ability to gain them even faster late game when they literally just added wound to a bunch of characters. This seems very unnecessary, with wound being more prevalent the ability to gain stacks faster should have been left alone. On top of the they reduced the size, the damage increase on geyser, its duration, and gave it a red outline so its more visible. Huge nerfs like that should at least have something left alone can deal with all the other stuff if the bind was left the same or the size or anything you don’t nerf something four times with out leaving it alone in some area.
Holy smokes, on top of everything else they’re adding a red outline to geyser? Bahaha. Someone at GBX really REALLY hates Alani. Let’s recap. Since her launch they’ve:
-Reduced her health by over a third
-reduced her DPS
-made geyser harder to land by making it more noticeable while also making it last less time and completely removing the added damage bonus
-reduced her torrent distance
-removed the helix option to build stacks faster
-reduced riptide’s damage by over 50%
-reduced the damage output of the shockwave helix option
All while being one of if the THE slowest characters in the game. Did I miss anything? LMAO. What a joke
Waits for someone to declare she’s top tier and that I just need to “GITGUD”
LMFAOOOO
[quote=“jerms85, post:223, topic:1516469, full:true”]What really bugs me not just about Alani but about many of the character changes is that you’re being forced to carry certain gear or choose certain mutations not because that’s how you want to play the character but because you need to fight against yet another nerf.
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So you’re basically saying that you want to have everything be awesome and that the helix choices should exist to make you extra special awesome at certain things.
The point of the helix choices is to customize your characters. The point of the various nerfs/buffs is to bring the character in line with others (and, yes, Alani has needed a lot of tweaking since release). If you’re selecting helices to preserve performance, you’re “playing how you want”; you’re just pissed that “playing how you want” is no longer making you OP as hell instead of adapting to the changes and realizing that a lot of the tweaks have actually made helix choices less one-sided (massive reduction in skill damage made the 20% attack speed an arguably better option than the .5 CD redux, which was the obviously better choice when Alani’s performance was massively overloaded on her skills; removing the Osmosis stack generation and moving the range increase and Wellspring minimum healing to level 3 made the movement speed and Wellspring minimum healing helices actually viable choices now because the value of one of the options was no longer so massively one-sided).
[quote=“Xelaris96, post:222, topic:1516469, full:true”]No where near as good as the 0.5 cool down reduction per hit. Especially if you are running attack speed gear on her.
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Actually, since they nerfed the damage on her skills, the attack speed helix is actually a lot better, especially if you want to play healer or damage dealer. The CD reduction helix is for people who want to play controller. I have gotten a lot better performance out of her, both healing and damage, by using the attack speed helix rather than the old default of the .5 sec CD redux helix (since I tend to hold on to skills rather than using them immediately like I used to because they’re not my damage/healing bread and butter any more; they’re situational).
I honestly have to wonder how much people would notice the difference in performance if it weren’t shouted at the rooftops via patch notes. People, just like you two, just love screaming about everything being completely ruined when, if you actually look at the end result changes instead of the piecemeal changes, things are totally fine.
Alani’s healing has barely been affected because she already generates Osmosis stacks incredibly fast. Anyone who thinks that she’s suddenly become a terrible healer is deluding themselves (especially since she’s still the best burst healer by a massive margin and has plenty of maintenance healing to go along with her other abilities) by focusing on one tiny facet of her character that they mistakenly believe is some monumentally huge defining element of her playstyle.
Uhh nerfing one of her skills in all aspects is a pretty huge thing to change without giving it any sort of or at least leaving some aspect the same. That skill was almost the basis of her character and they nerfed it in all aspects I think that is a pretty big thing to not comment and be upset about.
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Sorry but it was never about easyness to gain. It was about the fun of getting the overdrive effect of being able to heal more often at full stack WHEN the overall dmg output is getting through the roof.
It’s needed to be able to keep up with the overall dmg going around when both the ults then the lvl 7+ Helix are up accross the battlefield.
So sorry also… …but the comment about the attack speed pretty much means that now Alani is pidgeon-holed into attack speed gear ? Naaaaaw that’s not what you mean, did you ?
Anyway that’s not to say you’re wrong, but just that people are playing differently, AND have different feelings about how their character should or should not evolve, and my feeling right now is that the removal of the stacking overdrive and the swap (the first resulting from the second btw…) is a hack job if it was meant for balancing. A lot of us support Alanis are gutted, that’s all…
I dunnow how to say it : pidgeon-holing, streamlining, etc… Never a good thing…
Oh well…
