I agree to a degree but some people took each word you wrote a little to literal.
Personally, this statistic alone is enough to prevent me from ever playing Overwatch.
As I’ve said before, no matter how people feel about either game, they are obviously not in competition with each other for marketshare. To pit them against one another is just another way to create false angst on the forums.
As per the topic title, attitude matters and I don’t play BB or come to the forums to experience angst, real or false.
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I want kaleidomons avatar, it’s cool as Hell. Sorry for changing range subject but i concur with the title.
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The reason why I posted this information in this thread is because I disagree with the idea that we need to enforce an attitude to express ourselves in a game that is not doing well in sales. It’s easy to treat critique that discusses the entire game negatively with a grain of salt because if you go to any other multiplayer forums, you’ll find similar negative threads (http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/22813879/). The issue with this is that we can directly see that the majority of players have stopped playing Battleborn while other games can maintain their numbers for more than a month at least. ALL critique should be welcomed in order to quickly fix any issues that are making people leave. Threads like these (about attitude in the forums/game/etc.) are worthwhile in games that are thriving, but in games that have a sinking playerbase, the developers should listen to everyone’s issues.
I didn’t bring up Overwatch. Boop used the game in his anecdotal evidence here:[quote=“boop, post:49, topic:1492677”]
The OW players on my friends list have dropped significantly (most returning to older games) and the few that do still play are close to quitting.
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I’ve compared Battleborn’s numbers to DOOM, Rainbow Six Siege, Arma 3 and Fallout 4 earlier in the thread.
Again, I never said people shouldn’t be able to express their opinions. To paraphrase, what I said was that being negative doesn’t help. Coming to a forum and reading thread after thread of emotional diatribes drives people away.
If you want to encourage people to play with you, no matter what the game, complaining isn’t the way to go about it. Discussing issues objectively gets a better response than getting emotional.
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And I get quoted yet again.
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I mentioned OW because it has been previously mentioned in this thread.
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I only made a simple statement based off of observing that particular game’s presence/lack thereof on my friendslist and the numerous rage-filled grumblings of my friends who still play it.
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I am not denying that one game is more popular than the other.
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Constructive criticism is a good thing, especially since we have a smaller pool of players. Bashing the devs and belittling the game without giving any solutions or input is not good for the game or the community.
And I am done. Pain meds have kicked in.
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Probably the two most important changes to incursion were due to people complaining.
- Marquis Cheese: Countless threads about how Marquis is OP in Incursion because he constantly hits the spidertank.
- Everyone gets M3s: Complains about how everyone always surrenders after the first spidertank is destroyed because the M3s are too powerful. Someone mentioned that both teams should have M3s through constructive criticism in that thread.
That’s what submitting bug reports are for. 90% of the posts about those two problems were saying something like “this is the worst game ever.” “unbalanced game, this sucks” or more annoyingly, “back to overwatch.”
If the majority of them were calm and mature during the post, it wouldn’t be so problematic to have posts like them.
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I’ll need some hard evidence that 90% of the posts had [quote=“timtoborne, post:66, topic:1492677”]
something like “this is the worst game ever.” “unbalanced game, this sucks” or more annoyingly, “back to overwatch.”
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before I can take your argument seriously
I’m not sure anyone is enforcing an attitude here, at least only within the reasonable limits of the forum rules. But I do think it’s worth saying that attitude matters, because it does. And I’m speaking in general terms here, because Gearbox have been impressively receptive to people’s responses and tolerant of a lot of hostility, and I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes in regard to dealing with feedback. I only speak from experience with feedback in the real world, as an academic/teacher, and from paying attention to how people’s tone and expression has an effect on their reception.
I definitely agree with you that feedback is valuable and everyone has a right to be heard. That’s not the same thing as saying it doesn’t matter how that feedback is expressed. Critique always has more impact when it’s expressed in polite, constructive terms - even if there’s passion behind them.
And because I care about this game’s future, I really want everyone’s ideas to be heard and judged on their merits as feedback, rather than the delivery getting in the way. Believing that ‘the beatings will continue until morale improves’, that we need to criticise Gearbox as much as possible until they finally pay attention (they have been) doesn’t get anyone far; it does cause hostility, which gets in the way of the feedback being heard.
I’m not sure how the issue of attitude relates to player stats. Regardless of how well or poorly a game is selling, the quality of discussion will always be stronger and more useful when people post in a controlled, constructive way. In fact, I’d say that a game will suffer in sales if people read reviews and community posts that embody the negative attitudes identified in this thread.
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Okay, it looks like we’re getting a little bogged down in semantics. Some ‘complaints’ take the form of useful, meaningful, constructive criticism.
Some ‘complaints’ take the form of negative, shouty, insulting, offensive rants.
As I mentioned above, they don’t have equal value, either to the dev team or the forum and player community. The first kind are good: but they are still complaints. And still of value. So: complaints are often fine.
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Thank you.
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Go look at the posts yourself, 90% may have been an exaggeration, but the majority of them were either rage posts, or had one too many insults.
Lastly, knock off the condescension.
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Sorry, this kinda sounds as you´d just show a respectfull manor towards topsellers and their fans.
Its not about stopping complaints or feedback, its about tone and good manners. A respectfull complain will far sooner get attention and get solved than a angry flipping-the-table scene.
I think noone has the right or entitlement to get insulting, disrespectfull and simply offensive just because a certain product has not enough sales or does not reach your full expectations.
Its wrong to assume "They dissappointed me, now I´ve the right to spill poison and be rude"
Of course you can do what ever you want. But people who act like this should be knowing that their behaviour will not solve anything faster or better as if they had started their request in a more modest tone.
Theres a huge big difference between using your right of free speech and being a total ■■■■■■■. Thats what this topic is about.
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@timtoborne: You must have seen at least one of these things by now:
This is not a good thread to be ignoring this in.
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Thank you. I don’t like getting called condescending for no reason.
Even if you were being condescending, the flag system is what we prefer to see being used.
Something I should mention, too: if a large percentage of comments were flaming rageposts, many of them will have been removed. Sure, a lot will be borderline cases that stay up, but there’s no way of getting accurate data on that. Unless you ask a mod. (Who will tell you that yes, there are some hidden posts, but we don’t keep count of how many)
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Exactly. There’s a huge difference between posting “This game sucks!” and “I’m going back to Overwatch unless you fix backdooring” to “The wait times for matchmaking outside of the US are high. Is there a way to fix that?” and “Marquis can jump onto the cliff in Incursion and one-shot the sentry without fear of being hit.” While all four examples are complaints, only the last two are complaints that are likely to be addressed by GBX because they’re both polite and one actually states what the particular problem is that should be addressed. It still amazes me there are those who either don’t understand the difference or feel like they have to argue over the semantics. If you present your complaint(s) in a polite manner, you’re more likely to be heard than if you just go on a diatribe about how much you hate the game and/or feel you were cheated out of your money. Yes the game has issues, but GBX are well aware of them and are doing their best to get them fixed ASAP. Unfortunately every large fix requires testing to ensure that 1: the issue is actually fixed and 2: the fix doesn’t break something else. So keep your feedback coming, but try to coach it in polite discourse; otherwise you’re only adding to the noise and will more than likely be ignored.
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Hi,
I don’t think that will be a problem in Battleborn because GBX (e.g., @JoeKGBX and @Jythri) have consistently reiterated that GBX looks at the data in addition to the feedback provided by us. So they don’t just nerf things because there are loud complaints that something should be nerfed.
Toodles,
Me!
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Well said!