#1

Axton? Nope. Krieg? Forget it!

Only with Zero do those frustrating and innaccurate Torgue guns, with their usually slow moving projectiles, become potent! Speccing into Precision and Velocity finally, FINALLY allows Torgues guns to be really good in this game!

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#2

I don’t think tvhm is an accurate place to make this claim.
In another thread you said you have to get up close to use torgue rifles and shoutguns, which is true. But you also said that was an easy way to die. Axton and krieg(the best torgue users) have enough survivability to get up close to enemies and still survive.
Axton and kreig both have really good reload skills
Both have good fire rate skills
both have a recoil reduction or accuracy skill
They both boost explosive and/or grenade damage

Zero has reload(not as big a boost as the others) accuracy(bigger than the others, but less useful), and some fire rate(not sure how much or what skill), but doesn’t boost grenade or explosive damage

Not to mention wearing an explosive relic hurts zeros cool down rate which he really needs

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#3

yes you are right about TVHM/UVHM etc.

a point I forgot to mention is isn’t it people say Torgue guns basically suck in UVHM?? So yeh it wouldn’t really apply to that anyway, seeing as you won’t be using them anyway.

Kinda disagree with rest of your post tbh

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#4

Torgue guns suck in UVHM is the same as AR’s suck, it’s a falsehood perpetuated by people misusing them. Yes there are characters and cases where they are strictly inferior weapons. However, no one claims the Unkempt Harold sucks in UVHM, The Ogre is a second example of a highly popular Torgue gun that is used in UVHM. As for shotguns the Swordsplosion and Ravager both rank extremely highly. Outside of red text shotguns the top two shotguns are probably a Jakobs Coach and a Torgue Ravager.

Both Krieg and Axton get a great deal from Torgue Weaponry. Zero has accuracy and reload speed that is beneficial to Torgue shotguns however what Zero lacks is base damage, explosive damage and fire rate boosts. Torgue shotguns are generally 3 or more shot affairs that fire quickly with medium to high recoil. They benefit from being used at close range where the lack of accuracy isn’t a problem and their fire rate can be unleashed.

Zero’s design doesn’t play into this sustained fire play style, he benefits from burst damage that is generally boosted by critical hits, deception and one shot one kill. TVHM doesn’t lay bare Zero’s minimal survival and thus you can get away with sustained fire. Once you’re in ultimate however surviving becomes far more difficult and staying in the center of the battle becomes a death wish. For any benefit Zero gains from using a Torgue Shotgun there is likely two reasons he should use a Jakobs one instead.

Now when talking about Axton and Krieg the story is very different as neither of them are even half as reliant as Zero is on crits for damage. They both pair a better skill set for sustained healing with buffs to magazine size, fire rate and explosive damage.Furthermore their options for grenades are generally more flexible than Zero allowing them to use singularities to group enemies before letting loose with a Torgue gun that has boosted explosive damage, a crazy fire rate and a larger mag size.

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#5

I can vouch for Torgue guns all hopped up on Vel0city as being something people should try if they haven’t yet (and Zer0 loves the Landscaper), but frustrating and inaccurate are two things I don’t think I’ve heard many players complain about with those guns. Regarding who is the best with Torgue guns, since you’re looking at them through what appears to be a lens of “now I don’t have to lead my targets” where the generally accepted lens is “kills things fastest”, there’s likely to be disagreement based around this.

I have definitely never heard this, for what it’s worth. Frankly I think they hold up the best in UVHM out of all the manufacturers.

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#6

Excuse you–Unkempt Harold would like a word.

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#7

My Jakobs Zer0 might just have to switch allegiance.

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#8

Mr. Torgue would not approve this :poop:

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#9

Torgue guns are amazing in all modes. You might not get much mileage of any weapon though without the use of slag. All weapon manufacturers make guns that are usable at all difficulties.

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#10

Jakobs pistols in UVHM? Pretty much unusable they become…

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#11

Heresy!

That is the correct answer.

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#12

notsure

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#13

Marcus would not approve this :poop:

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#14

I don’t approve of that Maggie having a Vladof grip.

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#15

Me neither. I was about to mention that as it made me recoil in disgust. Cool pic otherwise though

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#16

Jakobs pistols? In UVHM? C’mon you know it’s all about the elemental pistols in that crazy mode

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#17

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Although no particular reason to pass up on a nice purple Iron instead (which has much higher card damage), the Greed does give you a chance to one-shot slagged flesh enemies. Plus, no speed penalty while ADS. Or you could go orange and pick up a Dastardly Maggie

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#18

Nope and nope. All of my characters from level 72 to OP8 have Jakobs guns.
I have a Jakobs allegiance Zer0 at level 72 who only uses them. They are powerful enough that I don’t even bother with slag half the time.

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#19

I’ve played an all jakobs Axton at op8, jakobs guns are viable in any mode

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#20

Exactly - once you’re leveled up. I’ve got him running with a Swordsplosion that evaporates about every foe.